Re: Why Square games fail and ToP works...

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This message was posted by Sam, posted on September 28, 2001 at 08:39:47 coming from 24.12.70
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This message is a reply to Re: Why Square games fail and ToP works... posted from Saeba posted at September 28, 2001 at 01:10:30
> > The problem is not the size of the rom, but the clock speed. The snes has
> > a settable clock speed, where the software can change the clock divider
> > to increase the CPU speed. (Kinda like you used to be able to do with
> > intel cpus.) Most games used the slower speed because the rom chips were
> > not fast enough to handle the higher speed (so-called SlowROM games).

> I know about SlowRoms and Fastones... I'll verify it with INSNEST and I'll test more fastrom games. Thanks for the info.

> > Some of the newer games (Square in particular) used faster rom chips, and
> > these FastROM games are the ones people are having problems with. It is
> > not just Squaresoft games, Terranigma for example is also FastROM (Have you
> > tried that one?)

> Probably not ;)
> I'll do it today and I'll info here.

> > Now, in theory, the snes should be able to handle the higher speed without
> > problems, but actually the margin is about the minimum they could get away
> > with. Some SNESes can run fastrom games off cartridge, but when you add
> > the extra load of the copier, it pushes it over the edge, and you start to
> > see the sort of behavior you would expect to see from an overclocked system.
> > I had a snes that would randomly crash on fastrom games, especially when it
> > got too hot. Eventually I just got another snes and that one works fine.

> But you talk about problems with SNES. I tried now two PALs (one switched to 60 Hz too) and one SFC and the same...

> > Oh, the reason ToP works is because it is actually slowrom. There were
> > some technical issues that made it infeasible to have such a large rom run
> > at the higher speed.

> I'll maintain trying more fastrom games like Terranigma.
> Thanks again.

In some snes tool, I think SNESTool, there's a 'Slowrom fix' which patches the fastroms to work as slow roms. Try using the slowrom fix on your rom and see if that fixes the problem.

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Now you say it... I'll test it too ;) (nt) Saeba 12:20:57 09/28/01 (0) responses
TRY A REAL US SNES to run it on!! (2cents) (nt) Alcahest 09:36:11 09/28/01 (3) responses
- Re: TRY A REAL US SNES to run it on!! (2cents) (nt) Saeba 12:20:03 09/28/01 (2) responses
  - Re: mikael 17:50:39 09/28/01 (0) responses
  - Re: TRY A REAL US SNES to run it on!! (2cents) (nt) Arakon 14:21:11 09/28/01 (0) responses

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Message	> > > The problem is not the size of the rom, but the clock speed. The snes has > > > a settable clock speed, where the software can change the clock divider > > > to increase the CPU speed. (Kinda like you used to be able to do with > > > intel cpus.) Most games used the slower speed because the rom chips were > > > not fast enough to handle the higher speed (so-called SlowROM games). > > I know about SlowRoms and Fastones... I'll verify it with INSNEST and I'll test more fastrom games. Thanks for the info. > > > Some of the newer games (Square in particular) used faster rom chips, and > > > these FastROM games are the ones people are having problems with. It is > > > not just Squaresoft games, Terranigma for example is also FastROM (Have you > > > tried that one?) > > Probably not ;) > > I'll do it today and I'll info here. > > > Now, in theory, the snes should be able to handle the higher speed without > > > problems, but actually the margin is about the minimum they could get away > > > with. Some SNESes can run fastrom games off cartridge, but when you add > > > the extra load of the copier, it pushes it over the edge, and you start to > > > see the sort of behavior you would expect to see from an overclocked system. > > > I had a snes that would randomly crash on fastrom games, especially when it > > > got too hot. Eventually I just got another snes and that one works fine. > > But you talk about problems with SNES. I tried now two PALs (one switched to 60 Hz too) and one SFC and the same... > > > Oh, the reason ToP works is because it is actually slowrom. There were > > > some technical issues that made it infeasible to have such a large rom run > > > at the higher speed. > > I'll maintain trying more fastrom games like Terranigma. > > Thanks again. > In some snes tool, I think SNESTool, there's a 'Slowrom fix' which patches the fastroms to work as slow roms. Try using the slowrom fix on your rom and see if that fixes the problem.
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